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Hope Brakes – Bleeding

These are the basics for bleeding Hope hydraulic disc brakes which use the open system; the original 2-piece Minis and M4s (silver) and the Mono series (black/gold until ’06 then silver/black from ’07).

Hope brakes are designed to operate with DOT 4 or DOT 5.1 brake fluid. These are both glycol based fluids and can be mixed, although it’s advisable to flush the line through with the new fluid to maintain a constant performance. DOT 4 will typically have a lower boiling point than DOT 5.1 and be more viscous (thicker). DOT 5 (silicone-based) and Magura/Shimano-type mineral fluids are not compatible with Hope (or any glycol-based) systems. Using DOT 5 or mineral oil in your Hope brake will damage the rubber seals and require a full strip-down and cleaning of all brake components. Unless you flush and clean the system straight away, chances are that a seal change will be required. If that’s why you’re here, check out the caliper overhaul guides listed over there on the right…

In case you’re wondering, Hope brakes are filled with DOT 5.1 at the factory.

1. Remove the wheel from the bike and the pads from the caliper to prevent contamination.

2. Push the caliper pistons back into their bores so that they are flush with the caliper. Initially, the pistons should be left free to move as this will make it easier for the fluid being flushed through the system to push any trapped air out; however, once the system appears bled, I insert a small block of wood between the pistons and then pump another two or three lever pulls worth of fluid through to confirm that the system is completely free of air. Keep a check on the pistons before the block is in place to make sure they aren’t extending as you bleed.

3. If necessary reposition the brake lever so that the lever and master cylinder (MC) is horizontal to the ground.

4. Remove the MC cap using a 2mm allen key (2.5mm on the newer, flat-top bolts or T10 Torx on the Moto levers) and remove the rubber diaphragm.

5. Place the closed end of an 8mm spanner over the bleed nipple on the brake caliper. Fit a length of clear plastic hose (approximately 30cm) onto the bleed nipple and place the free end into an empty container. The hose should be a snug fit on the nipple. The free end does not need to be submerged under brake fluid.

6. Fill the MC reservoir with brake fluid.

7. Open the bleed nipple a ¼ turn. Slowly pull the brake lever to the handle bars and hold. Close the bleed nipple. Release the lever (watch the fluid being pulled from the MC reservoir). Caution, squeezing the lever too fast could cause brake fluid to rise out of the reservoir. It’s not always necessary, but you can give the lever a gentle pull (a couple of mm; not to the bars!) before opening the bleed nipple, as this will help to push any trapped air from the system. If you do this, take care that you aren’t extending the pistons.

8. Repeat step 7. until no air is seen coming out of the bleed nipple. Keep an eye on how much fluid is in the reservoir; you’ll need to keep filling it as you go. Caution; if bleeding a rear brake, be careful not to spill brake fluid onto the front caliper and rotor.

9. Ensure the pistons are fully retracted in the caliper, the pistons may require manually pressing back.

10. Place a rag around the MC to catch any spillage and fill it to just below the top, so that the top of the concave edge is level with the top of the MC.

11. Place the diaphragm back into the MC and allow the fluid to overflow. Placing one end of the diaphragm onto the MC first then ‘rolling’ it into place, pushing out the excess fluid, will make sure you’ve also expelled any unwanted air. Close the bleed nipple and remove the bleed hose. Caution, do not over-tighten the bleed nipple. Wipe away any spilt fluid from the caliper and lever.

12. Fit the MC cap and gently tighten. Caution, do not over tighten cap as you are only sealing the rubber diaphragm; use the short end of the Allen key. (At this point you may want to refresh your pads. Trace a figure 8 on a piece of 100ish sandpaper until the pad surface is evenly cleaned/deglazed. You’ll need to bed* the pads/rotor back in if you do this).

13. Before you replace the pads, refit the wheel and double check that the caliper is perfectly centered over the rotor (full guide can be found (link under construction)). When you’re happy that everything is aligned the pads can be refitted. Pull the lever several times to allow the pads to reset themselves to the rotor. Check that both/all pistons are moving evenly so that each pad touches the rotor at the same time. If, when the lever is pulled, the rotor can be seen flexing, push or pull the rotor against the piston(s) that are extending further to allow the ‘lazy’ one(s) to move out. You may (will!) find this procedure easier to do if you have somebody to operate the lever for you while you concentrate on manipulating the pistons. Don’t rush this part; your brake is designed to work with both pads hitting the rotor at the same time. Improperly set-up brakes will not perform as well as they should, will feel soft and vague at the lever and will be more prone to making unwanted noise. You will be rewarded for your 20-30 minutes of initial set-up…

14. Give the lever a few pulls and check all fittings for leaks.

* ‘Bedding in’ is the process of matching microscopically the profile surface of the pads and rotor, which basically gives the maximum surface area contact possible and thus better braking. Here’s what Hope have to say about bedding your pads in;”To achieve the maximum braking effort the new brake pads need bedding in. Bed in the pads by riding a short distance with the brake applied, it also helps to pour clean water over the caliper and pads whilst bedding in. This procedure will achieve good braking performance but will reach its full potential after a few rides.”

Head outside with a bottle or pint glass of fresh, clean tap water. Get up a head of steam and brake hard. Pour water liberally over the caliper. Pedal off again, this time with the brake applied lightly. As you pedal you’re going to feel the pads bedding in to the rotor. Keep going, pulling the brake gradually harder as you have to pedal harder. Do this for 20-30 meters and then pour water over the caliper again. Repeat a mix of hard stops, water; brake/pedal, water until your brakes are how you like them. I can get two brakes bedded in under 10mins using this method. They’ll improve further after a little trail time, but at least you’ll have decent braking to begin with.

Comments…

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Written by SteveUK MTB

March 15, 2008 at 2:47 pm

9 Responses

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  1. why did you not use the pro bleed kit? Also, why would you push the pistons back into the caliper? lets say the pads are used half way, by putting the piston back into the caliper when bleeding this would cause the oil level to drop to compensate for the missing pads? plz explain

    C_George

    October 31, 2008 at 4:42 am

  2. Bleeding Hopes is such a quick and simple task that I don’t see the point in spending any money on the bleed kit.

    Re-filling with the pistons partially extend will effectively over-fill the system, leading to problems of pump-up when the brake is used a lot. The master cylinder is designed to have sufficient capacity to allow it to retain enough fluid even when the pads are worn down to the plate, and also to have sufficient free space for fluid expansion when the pads are new.

    The dropping DOT “level to compensate for the missing pads” is simply part of the self-adjustment process with hydraulic brakes.

    SteveUK MTB

    October 31, 2008 at 11:46 am

  3. Thanks for sharing this guide. Very helpful. The actual bleeding part is the same for the many of the cars and motorcycles that I’ve done over the years. But it’s really good to have that little extra info regarding the the slight difference of the Hope system.
    I am about to help my neighbor to fully service his ATB, So this should assist us greatly.
    Thanks again.

    Pete.

    cheapo

    November 27, 2008 at 6:24 pm

  4. Really clear and well thought out descriptions and the clear photos help tremendously! Really well done. Thanks so much. I wish the manufactures would do this on their websites for their products. Would help a lot of do it yourself types like me and with good photos can help even the most experienced mechanic if there is any questions. I just did my good old Hope Mini’s, have had them almost 6 years I think, probably longer, and now they are just like new again! Have always loved them due to their modulation and power combination. Now that Swiss Stop is making pads for them the squealing is mostly a thing of the past!. Take that with a grain of salt as I ride in southern California so not too much rain out here so…

    James Cross

    January 15, 2009 at 3:23 pm

  5. please help im trying to bleed the system but it does not seem to work. The fluid just seems not to be pushed round the system. Any ideas ? There is alot of air within the system as new hoses have been fitted. Ialso can not see any leaks.

    blondie

    February 14, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    • If you’re following the instructions then the fluid should bleed through, so my first presumption has to be that you’re missing something. Open nipple; pull lever; close nipple (tight!); release lever. Does the fluid in the reservoir go down when you release the lever?

      SteveUK MTB

      February 14, 2009 at 8:04 pm

  6. thanks a lot . great guide!

    i have some question about mono m4…after i bleed the system , i heard some air noises from the right side of the mc cap when i pull the lever , then i have noticed there is some small hole at the right side of the mc cap . and small amount of fresh oil come out from there .
    for today , there is still noises
    that’s happend to my both brakes.

    this is okay , or something bad ?

    dani

    dani

    March 3, 2009 at 12:12 am

  7. It’s not necessarily a problem to have fluid coming out of the pin-hole on the MC. It may be expelling excess fluid from the top of the diaphragm, or the diaphragm may have deteriorated – apparent by curling at the edges or collapsing in on themselves. Just wipe the leakage away and keep an eye on it; if the problem persists then a new diaphragm may be required.

    You could remove the diaphragm and dry the upside thoroughly (but carefully!) before refitting.

    SteveUK MTB

    March 3, 2009 at 10:43 am

  8. thanks , the problem is stoped , i think it was an air above the diaphragm .

    dani

    March 6, 2009 at 2:10 pm


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